Is Jesus (pbuh) God - Debate vs Dr. Anis Shorrosh (Royal Albert Hall, London)

This liberated Palestinian, now a citizen of the United States, well spoken and immaculately dressed, was easily mistaken for a Pakistani.

No, listen to his well articulated English and still more eloquent Arabic at question time.

And Mr.

de dez replies, I would like to see that I'm grateful for this opportunity.

And my questions are actually two number one.

If the Quran is indeed from God, does it predict itself in as much as it says, Okay.

Therefore, Jesus was born, he died and he rose again.

The second question is, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, the rules, the rules of the game is to ask one question and get the back so that other people don't have a chance.

Thank you.

Now the question is directed to Mr.

Mr.

Lee, that's the verse in question is for Salaam aleja yo ma v.

y Yamamoto vayama Bahia, which translated means so PCs on me, the day that I was born, the day that I die, and the day that I shall be raised to life again, that day that I die, it is not that I died, is not died is in the future.

Mr.

de das did not know during his lecture tour of Britain that he was being followed.

Subsequently, at the end of one of his lectures in the city hall of Birmingham during question time, which is one of the regular features at every lecture of Mr.

deedat, Dr.

Suresh came forward to challenge Mr.

de edad, to a public debate.

Fortunately, in this advanced electronic age, we were able to capture Dr.

Suresh on video to reproduce for you this historical record.

I greet you with respect.

You have spoken eloquently and forcefully.

But I want to challenge you anywhere in the world to meet me and debate any topic.

Because you have given these people whom I respect as knowledgeable people, misinformation.

And as I take great pride in saying that our thing perfect is a great man.

But my question is following the chairman suggestion, would you be willing?

This is the question.

If you will just identify yourself as to who you are, is one of 10 million as their faith, and we're proud to say that a slap is a reality, a branch of the Christian faith and insect life.

Thank you very much.

I still haven't been the Navy doesn't matter.

Because I mean, it sounds more Pakistani, give me a nice hardcover, rather than a nice, I accept your challenge.

And I'm giving you a blank check to hire the number four.

On the subject, you can choose, I give them to you, we have already discussed the presentation.

And we don't want to go to the same thing again and again.

You can choose a subject like is Jesus God?

Is Jesus God because I'm a Christian?

I don't know whether you are one of those that the Christians believe that Jesus Christ is God incarnate.

Is Jesus God?

Or is the Bible God?

Or the truth of our Trinity?

Or Jesus man, myth of God.

So being recorded, I think we can get a taste of that.

As it is Jesus broad power is the Bible God's word.

The truth of our Trinity on Jesus made me there more of them than you do who put the ball for four or five days consecutive?

It is you my brother to challenge me.

You see, I paid for the number for an American.

He was a gentleman.

He was gentlemen enough to have a dialogue with me for that because I suggested to him, I paid for the hall, I advertised.

Thank you very much that that if I can have that in writing for you.

Before you go away from the whole, I would like to set this in writing from you your name, address and who you are.

And then I think you date you don't give me a date any issue in September, in September or after we have to go out the window September was delivered.

So you hide apart and you tell me note that during Mr.

D dance acceptance of the Christians challenge Mr.

D dad had mistaken Dr.

Suresh for a Pakistani.

During the interchange of words in Birmingham, no connection was established between the Challenger and the question of the Royal Albert Hall.

Had it not been for the gift of this electronic wizard, the video, all the historical exchanges would have been lost to posterity.

And without this audio visual recording, we would never have been sure that the question of the Royal Albert Hall on the seventh of July and the challenger on the 15th of July, were one on the same person while still in the UK in July 1985.

The topic for the debate that is is Jesus God and the format and the tentative date were finalized between Dr.

Suresh and Mr.

deedat.

But in a letter dated the 14th of August 1985, Dr.

Suresh changed the subject, and also invented a new format.

I quote, point three, the topic is, is Christ indeed the Son of God?

point for part three.

first speaker, Mr.

Othman deedat 50 minutes.

point four seconds speaker, Mr.

Ennis, Suresh, 50 minutes.

point five.

Second rebuttal.

Mr.

De dex.

10 minutes.

point six second rebuttal, Dr.

Suresh, 10 minutes.

point seven final remarks, Mr.

deedat, five minutes.

point eight final remarks.

Dr.

Suresh, five minutes.

On the first of September, Mr.

De Dan took Dr.

Suresh to task for going back on his word.

And I quote, I hope you received my telegram of even deed, I regret very much you're changing the subject from is Jesus God, to an insipid topic like is Christ indeed the Son of God?

topic, we debated this subject while both of us were in the UK, and we'd settled for is Jesus God, a hard hitting succinct, potent and dynamic topic, in contrast with your is Christ indeed the Son of God.

Why don't you believe that Jesus is God?

If you don't, then we will change the subject that you had agreed?

Are you getting cold feet?

You know that your format is patently unjust, why not leave the format as agreed, in other words that the first speaker, whoever he is speak for 15 minutes, and the second speaker for 60 minutes, followed by the first speaker, who will have the final 10 minutes, same as between me and Dr.

Clark.

to appear Justin fair, the chairman will toss a coin in front of the audience.

You were absolutely tickled by this suggestion of mine on the phone.

Have you forgotten this also?

On the 18th of September 1985, Dr.

Suresh finally agreed to the original subject to be debated, but he leaves the format in the air as late as November the 15th.

And unjust format is still being stubbornly muted by Dr.

Suresh.

And again, I quote 50 minutes first speaker 15 minutes second speaker, eight minutes rebuttals.

first speaker, eight minutes rebuttals second speaker.

up to 15 minutes before the start of the great debate.

The format was still unsettled, Mr.

deedat and willingly agreed to the unjust format of Dr.

Suresh leaving everything to our And the tossing of the coin, Dr.

Suresh lost the toss and the outcome of the debate, we leave to you, the intelligent viewer to decide.

We have a notice between one and 2000 people were unable to get in here tonight.

And therefore, they were reluctantly turned away by the police on the instruction of the authorities here because there was no room.

In a debate of this nature.

It's important that we understand the character of the meeting that we've come to.

I believe this is a historic occasion where those who come from a Christian perspective can listen to those who come from an Islamic perspective and vice versa.

And I speak as chairman of this meeting.

I am a committed Christian.

My name is Clive Carver, and I'm general secretary of the Evangelical Alliance.

For the purpose of this meeting, I will remain totally impartial.

And will seek to act in true British fashion as a neutral will endeavor to do so for the next two and a half hours.

I'd rather welcome you on behalf of both our participants, who are thrilled that this world is so full tonight, it's good that you've taken the time to come to this important occasion.

You may be wondering when you yourselves will have an opportunity in participating in this debate.

And after our two main speakers have delivered their initial address, there will be an opportunity for you to write down any question that you may wish to have answered on a piece of paper.

And then the students will collect it.

And we'll bring it down here in order that it may be drawn in partially, from a bin containing all the questions that we received.

And with whatever time we have left.

such questions as can be answered, will be answered.

There are certain rules governing this debate.

We would like to request that there be no cheering.

There'll be no overt partisan activities, no waving of banners or anything similar.

And no chanting.

That is because we believe this is an opportunity to learn and to hear no justice shirt for our respective position.

After the main speaker has spoken, you may greet his contribution from both sides with polite applause, which will not be extended.

And we would ask you to observe that and we would ask that those from both perspectives.

applaud both speakers.

We are grateful to them for getting that time and the energies and coming to share in this important debate.

That is one of the things that needs to be stated very firmly.

Once you are in your seats, we request that you do not leave your seats unless it is absolutely essential.

We would ask that you do not move up the aisles.

And we would ask that in no way Do you ever attempt to break through the extensive security code to come onto the platform that would not be an order or fitting as part of this debate.

And we would ask you just to observe those few limitations.

What I would like to do at this point in time is to introduce our two speakers to you.

So I've said already we're thrilled that they're here for this vital debate.

And I'm going to ask Mr.

Ultimate Thompson, if he would just briefly introduce Mr.

deedat.

To us all.

Thank you.

Good evening, Miss Miller.

Mr.

Maddox is probably well known to many of you already.

He's been in England several times before and was here at the Albert Hall in July and last summer.

In another similar debate to this.

He's the director of the Islamic Propagation center in Durban in South Africa.

And he's a man who has studied both the Quran and the Bible for a considerable length of time.

Obviously, as a Muslim, he accepts the Quran as the final revelation from God to man to the last the prophets, and much of his perspective is based on what is in the Quran.

He is also interested in the Bible though, which although it does not contain the original gospel of Jesus in the original Mac is nevertheless still an interesting document and perhaps We should just draw your attention to one of the verses of Quran which says, and the science is addressed primarily to the Prophet Muhammad, peace and blessings of Allah on him, but also to all Muslims.

And it says, If anyone disputes with you, after the knowledge which has come to you, this is the knowledge in the Quran.

Then say to them, bring your sons and your women folk and yourselves and ourselves together.

And let us pray to Allah, let us pray to God.

May the curse of Gods be on us if we are lying.

So on behalf of Mr.

de Deus, and of all the Muslims, I would just like to say that as far as the knowledge which he referred to from the Quran, may the curse of a lie Be honest if it is not true.

Okay.

We're pleased to also have on the platform the Reverend Fred Masami from Jacksonville, Florida.

He is a missionary at large and he's come as Mr.

Shaw, Russia's companion tonight, a word or two of introduction to an issue rush.

And he says a Palestinian became a refugee in 1948.

in Jordan, he went to the USA and studied in Mississippi, where he received the degrees of Bachelor of Arts and Bachelor of divinity.

He is married with four children, three boys and a girl, and has worked as a Christian evangelist since 1966.

He lives in Mobile, Alabama, and possesses a further degree in the doctorate of ministries.

And a nice is warmly welcome here tonight as well, having made the trip across the Atlantic.

Before we toss the coin, this is the moment where we introduce the threats should anybody get really carried away, they will be carried away.

This will not be done by either a Christian or a Muslim, it will be done by both.

Because we are thrilled that the stewarding of this event is a cooperative venture as well.

And so please would you observe the regulations do not exceed what we have said, Do not attempt to come to the platform in any form.

Please restrain yourselves, you may well hear things tonight, that will be offensive to you.

From whichever position you might come.

That without being taken too far is in the nature of the debate.

We would urge you to accept that and recognize that the best testimony you can give.

For whichever position of faith you take will be seen in conduct not in words.

And however much you may wish to make a point in words.

The attitude and conduct that we all have towards each other tonight will show far more of our faith than any words we might use.

So let us act in courtesy and in gentle cooperation together tonight.

That's going to be the spirit of this debate.

That's the way we're going to handle it.

And if there is any need for any interjection, then I will come to this microphone.

And we'll make an interjection.

In a few moments, both our speakers are going to speak to us they will speak for 15 minutes each.

I will gently touch them on the elbow when they have two minutes left, two minutes left.

If they don't finish on time, I will stand up and place a brotherly arm around their shoulder and encourage them to sit down but I'm sure that won't be necessary.

We're going to be very democratic about this.

We're going to spend a coin to see who goes first can ask Mr.

Thompson if he'll spend the coin.

He has one in his hand, going to ask a nice shirt or she'll call in the air and we'll see what happens.

And this is called heads which will give him the choice of he is correct him who goes first.

If it is tails, Mr.

Jinnah will have the choice of who goes first.

Its tails.

Mr.

Did you had the choice?

Mr.

Suresh goes first.

Thank you very much.

Come join me on this.

Make sure I'm not sorry what even bellary I greet you tonight in the name of Jesus then as the man from my hometown, in the city of Nazareth, we are taught, never go see a friend empty handed.

Tonight, I take great pleasure in presenting my friend whom I'm meeting personally for the first time, mystery that with the present.

I also like to present our chairman of the deacons a special present.

And this is the key to our city of Mobile, Alabama, which is presented to people who contribute much not only to our great city, but to others as well.

And to all the colleagues of my friend, Mr.

Lee, that I have a special Bible marker from the holy city of Jerusalem, with a picture of the Dome of the Rock and other sites all received one.

I believe that many of you have been sitting here for a while some have traveled a long distance, it is time for you to rise for a few moments, would you please stand up with me everyone.

And as you stand, I like to share with you a practice that I do.

I read my Bible in my native language of Arabic on my knees, and I read it standing in public as a symbol of respect and reverence.

For those of you who brought your Bible like Mr.

Dilip suggested in his announcements and advertisement, you may wish to turn to Hebrews chapter one, please.

Hebrews chapter one, we read only the first eight verses, God, who at various times, and in different ways spelke in time passed to the fathers, by the prophets, as in these last days, spoken to us by His Son, whom he has appointed air of all things, through him also he made the worlds will be the brightness of His glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself, purged our sins, sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high, having become so much better than the angels as he has inherited, obtained, more excellent name than they, for two which of the angels Did he ever say, You are my son, today I have begotten you.

I will be to Him a father, and he shall be to me a son.

But when he again brings the firstborn into the world, he says, Let all the angels of God worship Him.

And of the angels, he says, Who makes his angel spirits and his ministers flame of fire, but to the sun, he says, Your throne, oh, God is forever and ever.

A scepter of righteousness is a scepter of your kingdom.

Thank you and be seated please.

Very street English governor of ancient Palestine.

Pontius Pilate stood on a balcony overlooking a crowd gathered in the courtyard at the Antonia Fortress in Jerusalem where I lived before I moved away.

He asked the restless crowd, a very serious question.

What shall I do with Jesus, who is called the Christ?

Tonight 19 152 years right?

And ever since that historic event, the eternal destiny of every human soul depends on how he answers this question.

The answer of the crowd on that early morning in Jerusalem was crucify him the reason which they gave to Pilate, according to our law, he died because he made himself the Son of God, dreading a serious uprising, faced by the jealous religious leaders, and seeking to please the demanding crowd.

The governor succumbed in byte of his forthright declaration three times, I find no fault in him.

six centuries later.

The Quran also calls him zakian, faultless, sinless.

I asked you tonight, why Jesus of Nazareth a liar, a lunatic, or Lord as he claimed he was creation, conscience and history substantiates the existence of God.

religions are men's effort, serious effort at finding God.

So say that philosophers, theologians, historians, but wait a moment, I want to ask you a question.

Is God really lost for us to look for him and find him?

Is it not we who are lost and therefore he comes to seek us?

That is why he through Christ, come looking for you and me, once again, to impress your intelligent minds.

I read from the Bible, Second Corinthians four, verse three and four.

But even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing, whose minds the god of this age has blinded, who do not believe less the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God should shine on them.

When I came in Canada in Girona Maktoum, and finally home octoman, Phil Halle Keane, and Levine Fie him, Ella had her armor at hand, meaning Allah, Allah home in Iraq, Injeel mesh, the mesh Allahu wa surah Allah.

The Bible is the most extraordinary book in the world.

The Divine library is made up 66 books, written over a period of 1500 years by over 40 writers, some were kings, some were poor, some are rich, some are old, some are young, summer shepherds, some were fishermen.

Yet it shows itself as the inspired, inerrant Word of God, because the author is one, the Holy Spirit of the Living God.

I read you from Second Peter, chapter one, verse 20, and 21.

Knowing this first, that no prophecy of Scripture is of any private interpretation for prophecy Naira came by the will of man but holy men of God.

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We know that the Bible is inspired because of the fulfilment of prophecies uttered centuries before the events ever took place.

It has influenced the uplifting of human society whenever it has been believed and practiced.

Furthermore, the Bible's accuracy has been challenged, but never proven.

Its accuracy has been substantiated by historical documents, archaeological finds and ancient manuscripts.

Right now there are over 25,000 copies of the Scripture available, some of them at the Great British Museum for you to check out the accuracy of the Word of God.

For instance, Codex alexandrinus, dates back to 350 at Codex vaticanus to 325 at the Dead Sea Scrolls, which cover the entire Old Testament go back to 2250 years ago.

Some of you are well informed about the fantastic discoveries of you get of 30 years ago in Syria, and of 10 years ago in the great city of Ebola in which our entire civilization has been on Earth.

Both have increased our faith in biblical authority and divine inspiration.

Jesus our Lord himself, who never thought that I said, heaven and earth shall pass away but my word shall stand forever as Santa or thessalon Well, I can tell me lie as you listen to the warning at the end of the Bible, in Revelation 22 18 through 19.

For I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book, if anyone adds to these things, God will add to him the plagues that are written in this book.

And if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part from the book of life.

The God, which the Bible reveals to us, is one God.

My dear brothers, sisters, precious friends, there is only one God, one God, yet unfathomable as it is to our limited mentality, mysterious as it is our understanding this one through God, despite every unbelievers, rejection, atheist, agnostic and whatever, presents himself as a Triune God, it is not my discovery.

No, it is his own revelation of himself in nature, the Bible and other ways.

Let me emphasize that I humbly tonight seek to understand this mystery, as much as you do, and confess to both of our limitations.

Nevertheless, let us please look at examples from nature, in which God provides some evidence of the Trinity.

We have the elements, how many three solids, gases, liquids, all matter comes from those three, the air we breathe, is also three atoms, one oxygen, one hydrogen, one nitrogen, but it is there.

Water is normally liquid, but frozen, it becomes ice, and ball becomes gas or Steam, the same substance, yet three forms.

Look at the Sun 93 million miles away.

It's warm.

It's like, it's heat comes to us.

It is one sun.

Time is divided into Past, Present future man himself, his spirits, mind and body.

Even the family is made up of father, mother and children.

From the very first verses in the Bible, the Trinity is revealed for anyone to see.

If you have your Bible you may wish to look at that.

We discover In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.

Here is God, the Creator, the Heavenly Father.

In verse two, we discovered God, the Spirit, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the water.

When we are told in verse three, then God said, Let there be light.

Here in plain language, in the spoken word of God, is the spoken word of God, the speech of God, if you please the Word of God, centuries later, we hear the echo of this very truth.

In the Gospel of john, where we are told in the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God, and the Word was gone.

We'll bet he can and kalama was Kelly McKenna and the law.

What can I tell him Allah, the word as a person becomes obvious in verse two where we are told he Yes, the word he, he was, in the beginning with God have that kind of a bet in the law.

Once again, we marvel at the revelation of the Trinity in the same first chapter of Genesis, when God said, Let us make man in our image, according to our likeness, verse 26, are you to tell me please, was God discussing the making of the crown of his creation with himself?

In other words, was he talking to himself?

Or was he talking to someone else within this mighty Trinity we call God.

Indeed, lava two persons within the Trinity.

Notice the Scripture, our image, our likeness, let us free clear cut pronouns.

Moving to verse 27, we are astonished again, saw God created man in his own image, in the image of God, He created him, male and female, he created them the mysteries unveiled, as we see three pronouns, but not the poor as the above.

They are now singular.

Yes, one got no data.

Yet three persons, a black I said Trinity.

In Genesis 322, this truth is brought up again.

Then the Lord said, Behold, the man has become like one of us to know good and evil.

In the book of beginnings, Chapter 11, verse seven, we are informed of this mystery once again, when men were building the Tower of Babel, come, God says, Let us go down and they're confused their language.

Once again, I asked you was God talking to himself?

If so, why does he say, Come?

Let me go down?

In the awesome vision of Isaiah, in the awesome vision of Isaiah, in chapter six, where the angels proclamation and verse three, holy, holy, holy is the Lord of hosts, the whole earth is full of his glory, diligent listeners, can you explain to me why holy is repeated three times one or two, or four or more?

Is God the spirit, the word are getting clearer to you?

additionally, in verse eight, makes the Trinity ever more clear.

Also, I heard the voice of the Lord saying, Whom shall I send?

And who will go for us?

Did you catch it?

I sin.

Go for us.

The US is the eye The eye is that many of you know Arabic.

Although Arabic, some of us say is my mother's tongue at face my tongue, my mother still has her tongue.

I've got my tongue.

But listen to this.

Our verbs like an older cinematic languages present a different concept.

In dealing with grammar.

We have the Old Testament in Hebrew, much like Arabic, we have a singular verb, a dual verb, and then three or more.

Take for instance, our word again.

That's the singular means he ate akella.

That stew, ate a Caillou that's three who ate.

Therefore, in all the Semitic languages, the verb frequently identifies the number of persons involved in the action.

You in English can refer to one two or a million, but not so in Arabic, or Hebrew.

Even the word Elohim is a plural word, which is the name of God in Hebrew.

Haven't a Shama in Genesis one one, we read the word Shama, which is a ruler, meaning heavens, never occurred to you why God revealed himself in this manner.

I am the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.

In the book of Numbers, chapter six, verse 24, and 26.

The instructions are given for the aaronic blessing.

Why is it a Trinitarian blessing if God is only one, The Lord bless you and keep you, the Lord make his face shine upon you, and be gracious to you, the Lord lift up his countenance upon you and give you peace.

From the Christmas story, according to Dr.

Luke, chapter two, verse 13, we recognize the one Triune God again, glory to God and the highest Ranger sin, He is in the highest, and on earth peace.

Everybody sing about that, at this time around the world.

According to Isaiah 961 of the titles of Jesus is Prince of Peace.

The angels were announcing the embodiment of peace in Bethlehem.

Thirdly, we see the spirit of joy, goodwill towards men.

The Trinity is depicted powerfully during the baptism of Jesus, and immediately coming up out of the water, he saw the heavens potting and the Spirit descending upon him like a dog, then a voice came from heaven.

You are my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

Not only at the birth of Jesus and the beginning of his public ministry, but also towards the end.

The Trinity is clearly demonstrated on Mount Tabor, a short distance from my hometown of Nazareth.

At the Transfiguration, God's Spirit is seen as a cloud.

And God the Father proclaims, This is my beloved Son in whom I am well pleased hearing him have an email Habib lsvt, loud smile.

Now I ask you to explain to me, dear friends, that frequency of the finger free if it did not point to the Trinity in these incidents, the Lord Jesus performed three miracles of catching fish in gallery.

He raised three people from the dead, a girl, a youth and an adult to show his love for all ages.

Three times Peter denied his Lord.

Later three times Peter declared his love for his Lord.

Three disciples were witnesses of his transfiguration, three years he ministered in our world, he was one of three crucified on that date, one because of sin, one in sin and he for sin, then heroes on the third day, can you deny God's proclamation?

Are you telling me that the Almighty is misleading us?

Or worse, still lying?

let God be God.

And don't tell him what he can or cannot say, Be or do.

He is as himself, who never told a lie, or sin, concluded his redemptive ministry, in this crystal clear declaration found in Matthew 2818, through 20.

All authority is given to me in heaven and on earth, what prophet dare say that, go therefore, and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you.

And lo, I'm with you always, even to the end of the age.

Millions of Christians call this the Great Commission.

Many began their worship services with in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.

Now, the question before us, ah, Jesus God, let me emphasize that if Jesus was born in the same manner, like you and like, I am not supernaturally from aversion, lived only like ordinary men died like we all do, and did not rise and go to heaven, then we have no case for the jury whatsoever.

He would be thrown out tonight as an imposter.

But the real question tonight is this was God, Jesus.

If we accept the fact that God is almighty, and can do anything, our dilemma becomes apparent.

On one hand, we claim God can become anybody because he is not limited in power.

Yet on the other hand, we imply he is not all powerful.

When we deny him that prerogative to become a man, I submit to you, dear friends, that man can never become God.

This is blasphemy.

But God can become men.

And his name is Jesus Christ, Lord, Savior, King of kings and Lord of lords.

Dr.

Stanley Jones, called apostle to India, explained the types of religions in the world.

The first he said, was the word made word, God revealing himself primarily in a holy book.

The second type is the word made law.

God is used as primarily found in a set of rules.

The third is the Word made flesh.

If humans were libraries, the best way to communicate with them would be through a book.

If humans were constitutions, and bylaws, they would respond best to a set of laws.

Because we are humans, God chose to make the word flesh as we need, and the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we saw his glory as the glory of the only begotten Son of God, while Kelly massages on wahala banana mamdouh an Amazon wahaca.

For those of you who know the story of Abraham, let me refresh your memory tonight.

God came to Abraham as a man 1500 years before God came into Bethlehem as a babe.

Let us look at Genesis 18 please Then the Lord appeared to him by that oak trees of memory as he was sitting in the tent door in the heat of the day.

Listen carefully.

So he lifted his eyes and looked, and behold, three men were standing by him.

They just materialized.

And when he saw them, he ran from the 10 door to meet them, and bowed himself to the ground and said, My Lord, if I have found grace in your sight, do not pass on by your seventh, we read in verse 13.

And the Lord said to Abraham, why did share a laugh, saying Shall I should libera child, since I am old, is anything too hard for the Lord?

at that point of time, I will return to you according to the time of life, and Sarah shall have a son.

later on.

as Abraham intercedes for Sodom and Gomorrah, we notice that he's speaking to him as one of the men to the Lord.

Look at verse 22.

And following, then the men turned away from there and went toward Sodom, but Abraham still stood before the Lord.

And Abraham came near and said, should you also destroy the righteous with the wicked?

Suppose there were 50 righteous within the city, would you also destroy the place I'm not spirit for the 50 righteous that we're in it?

For, be it from you, you to do such a thing as this to slay the righteous with the wicked show that the righteous should be, as the wicked, Far be it from you shall not that judge of all the earth do right?

The last verse in Genesis 18, tells of this human appearance of the Great God of the universe.

So the Lord went his way, as soon as he had finished speaking with Abraham, and Abraham returned to his place.

Pray, tell me, dear friend, if God Almighty did not choose to limit himself to time and place, space and face, then how could he ever walk away from the presence of Abraham?

It states, so the Lord went his way.

What shall we say of Melchizedek?

Who was indeed another appearance of Jesus, for this Melchizedek Hebrews seven verse one, king of Salem, priest of the Most High God, who made Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings, and blessed him, to also Abraham gave a 10th overall, first being translated king of righteousness, and then also king of Salem, meaning king of peace, without father, without mother, without genealogy, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life, but made like the Son of God remains a priest continually.

Adam was a created being from the dust of the earth, and we are dust to, but Jesus was born by the Spirit of God.

mystery that they are friends, in his book, What is his name?

takes great pains to prove that one great characteristic of a true God is He who does not eat at night?

Well, who are you?

And who are our primitive tribesmen to tell God what he can or cannot do?

Say Obi hare, in Genesis 18, we are told of three heavenly visitors, the leader addressed by Abraham as Lord, and He stood by them as they ate.

Jesus centuries later, that same friend and more of Abraham ate with his disciples before and after the resurrection, because he chose to do so because he is God.

Maybe you problem, my dear sir, is although you emphatically announced 40 times a day, God is greater Allahu Akbar, he is not big enough to perform the smashing fantastic miracles.

How?

I say How long are you going to keep God distance from us, this interested in us, dictatorial toward us, we who are made in His own image, than men appear to Abraham, but to lift to add saddam and one man stayed at rest as the Lord.

May I sincerely, systematically and strongly present you with some of the basic characteristics of God and let you discover for yourself that in all of these, Jesus does Clearly reveal himself to be indeed what we expect God to be.

God is omnipresent, present everywhere in the past, Jesus existed.

And now Father, glorify me together with yourself with the glory, which I had with you before the world was john 17.

Five, while en machiney, anti Arab and Attica, Bill managed Allah, the Kennedy indika.

cobbler Coney Island, that mystery that tried to explain that way, and therefore contradicts himself and his own words in Birmingham.

In July, when he told the audience, I believe every word of Jesus that is written in the gospels, again, in John's Gospel 856 to 58, we read your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day, and he saw it and was glad.

Then the Jews said to him, you're not yet 50 years old?

And have you seen Abraham?

Jesus said to them, most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I am, why I am.

If you read Exodus, chapter three, verse 13, following you will understand why.

When Moses said to God, indeed, when I come to the children of Israel, and say to them, the God of your fathers has sent me to you.

And they say to me, what's his name?

What shall I say to them?

And God said to Moses, I am who I am.

And he said to him, thus you shall say to the children of Israel, I am has sent me to you, whatever prophecy of Micah five two, which tells a Bethlehem as the birthplace of the bone, King, the Messiah, then concludes, who is going forth, have been from a world from the days of eternity?

Is this a description of a mere man, or indeed, of God who can descended to be a man?

I quote from John's Gospel 1724, concerning his existence when the world began, for you loved me, before the foundation of the world.

It's take notes.

Now, the most familiar passage in john 1123, In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God, and the Word became flesh.

Now in the future, I like to say to you, to confirm this truth.

Listen to the wisdom of Solomon, in Proverbs 30, verse four, listen, who has ascended to heaven, or descendant who has gathered a wind in his face?

Who has bound the waters in a garment?

Who has established all the ends of the earth?

What is his name?

And what is his son's name?

If you know?

Where is the answer?

Or what is the answer?

Jesus, our Lord 10 centuries later, gave us the answer in john 313.

No one has ascended to heaven, but he who came down from heaven, that is the son of man who is in heaven.

The Bible states that Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today forever, a title reserved only to God.

In the last book of the Bible, we are mystified at the revelation in 118.

I am the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end, says the Lord, who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty, first 17 and 18, that same chapter, and when I saw him, john says, I fell at his feet as dead.

But he laid his right hand on me saying to me, do not be afraid.

I am the first and the last.

I am He who lives and was dead, and behold, I'm alive forevermore.

Amen.

And I have the keys of hell and of death.

Do these incredible pronouncements, prophecies and proclamations sound like this supernaturally born Jesus is just a man or truly incarnate deity.

God is omniscient, all knowing.

A great number of my learned listeners tonight.

know the story of the seven eight and woman found in john four.

Why was she convinced he was what he told her the Messiah.

He said to her you want this living water bothering her husband.

She said, I don't have a husband.

He looks straight in the eye and said You spoke the truth.

You had five and the one you have now is not your husband.

She said she was terrified, ran back to town.

And what did she say?

Come see a man who told me things that I have ever done, could this be the Christ?

And they found he was the president.

Some of you may remember the story of Philip.

Philip found Nathaniel and said to him, we have found him of whom Moses in the law, and also the prophets wrote, Jesus of Nazareth.

Jesus, so Nathaniel, coming toward him and said to him, behold, an Israelite, indeed, in whom is no guile.

And Daniel said to him, how do you know me?

Jesus answered and said to him, before Philip, called you when you were under the fig tree, I saw you.

Nathaniel answered and said to him, Rabbi, You are the Son of God, you are the king of Israel.

Only God knows the unknown.

How did Jesus see Nathaniel, when no one else, but God saw him the future.

Jesus predicted his betrayal, his crucifixion, his death, his resurrection in such minute details that even the disciples themselves overwhelmed could not for a while, believe him.

He also predicted Peters denial three times, his most faithful follower, he accurately described the destruction of Jerusalem, which took place 37 years later.

And in addition to that, he told of the end of the world, and the conditions leading up to it which we are right now tonight in London all over the world are experiencing, even in what we call the Lord's Supper, Jesus predicted his death for sinners, resurrection, and second.

Can anyone in clear conscience intellectual honesty, and in the pursuit of fairness say after these clear proves that Jesus was anything but God in flesh?

Even the Koran testifies that Jesus is the only person who knows the hour of judgment.

Matthew's Gospel we are told that the Wiseman of the east came to Bethlehem is he God is to be worshipped.

Listen to this.

When they came, they asked, Where is he who is born key strange that they call the child King, instead of the proper title, Prince.

At any rate, we discovered in verse 11, of Matthew two, they saw the young child with marry his mother, and fell down and worshiped him not marry.

My encourage you, my dear friend, to recognize that wise men still worship Him.

The three gifts gold representing him as King, frankincense, represent Him as God.

myrrh, represent him as dying for our Savior.

Even demons recognized and worship Jesus, Mark five, six and seven tells us of the story.

But when he saw Jesus from afar, he ran and worshiped him, and he cried out with our voice and said, What have I to do with you Son of the Most High God?

In Luke 2041, we see several facts among them that worship of Jesus, even by his enemies, Jesus is speaking.

And he said to them, how can they say that that Christ is David son?

Now David himself said, in the book of Psalms, the Lord said to my Lord, Sit at my right hand till I make your enemies your footstool.

David therefore, calls him Lord, how is he then his son?

According to the ninth chapter of john, Jesus healed a young man born blind.

Then we read in verse 35, through 38, exciting another story.

Jesus heard that they had cast him out.

And when he had found him, he said to him, Do you believe in the Son of God?

He answered and said, Who is he, Lord, that I may believe in Him?

And Jesus said to him, you have both seen him, and it is he who is talking to you.

Then he said, Lord, I believe, and he worshiped him.

Let me present your inquisitive minds and seeking hearts with a glimpse of who Jesus is, according to Colossians chapter one, verse 13, and following, he has delivered us from the power of darkness and translated us into the kingdom of the Son of His love, in who we have read Tension through his blood, the forgiveness of sins.

He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.

For by him all things were created, that are in heaven and earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers, all things were created through Him and for Him, and He is before all things.

And in him all things consist.

And he is the head of the body, the church, who is the beginning, that first born from the dead, that in all things he may have the preeminence.

God is also omnipotent, all powerful.

Who in the world has power over nature?

And the elements?

You see, of course, God, then tell me please tell me please, who was Jesus when he still the storm over Galilee?

according to Luke 822.

And what about his walking over the water?

Mark 645.

After that, he's going up to heaven, defying gravitation, at the conclusion of His earthly ministry of redemption.

according to Acts one, four and following.

Elijah was taken up in a chariot, my friends, a chariot of fire, but Jesus went up on his own power, because he could do it.

power over life.

In Matthew 2180, in following reread, Jesus had power to any healings.

Now in the morning, as he returned to the city, he was hungry, and seeing a fig tree by the road, remember, he was hungry because he was a man he chose to be a man.

It was a perfect man a perfect God, and seeing a fig tree by the road, he came to it and found nothing on it, but leaves and said to it, let no fruit grow on you ever again.

And immediately, the fig tree withered away.

power over death.

The familiar story of raising Lazarus is found in john 11.

The body had been in the grave, rotting for days, Jesus called him back to life.

Jesus also raised a 12 year old girl, and Mark five, a teenage boy Luke seven, and do not forget what he said.

He declared, I am the resurrection and the life.

JOHN 1125 power over Satan and his demons.

Luke 826 tells a fantastic encounter of Jesus where the demonic world and they sail to the country of the galleries, which is opposite gallery, when he stepped out on the land.

They're making a certain man from the city who had demons for a long time.

And he wore no clothes.

No did he live in a house, but in the tubes when he saw Jesus, he cried out, fell down before him, and with a loud voice said what to do with you, Jesus, Son of the Most High God, power of a sickness, the invitation of Jesus and unparalleled in the history of the world.

Come on to me, you are laboring and heavy laden and I will give you rest.

He gets cited a blind, healing to the paralytic life to the dead.

He healed all manner of system of sickness, Matthew 1215, and great multitudes followed him, and he healed them all power to forgive.

Let's read the gospel, from which we find the story, both in mark two as well as Matthew nine.

You see, they brought this man could not get in the Lord him from the ceiling.

Jesus saw him in the first thing he said, Your sins are forgiven.

The people murmured in their hearts.

He knew what they were saying your hearts and what did he say to them?

We are told who can forgive sins but God alone?

That was their fault.

And immediately when Jesus perceived in his spirit that they reason dust within themselves, he said to them, why do you reason about these things in your hearts, which is easier to say to the paralytic, Your sins are forgiven you or to say, Arise, take up your bed and walk, but that you may know that the Son of God has power on earth to forgive, since he forgave the sinful woman.

He forgave that thief on the cross, but never once that he asked forgiveness for himself, never once he prayed to forgive his tormentors, power to create the prerogative of God is recognized in Jesus when He fed the 5000 according to Luke nine from five loaves and two fishes.

On another occasion, he fed the 4000 in market Ate from few loaves and fishes.

First john 520 states profoundly.

And we know that the Son of God has come, and has given us an understanding that we may know him who is true, and we are in Him who is true in his son Jesus Christ, who is the true God and eternal life.

My dear friends, we can honestly, can we honestly?

Can we honestly, tonight, or anytime deny that reveal truth that credentials of Jesus of Nazareth are authentic and overwhelming.

The prophets of old predicted His coming predictions he faithfully fulfilled in my new details, our Heavenly Father confirmed his relationship to him as his son, his miraculous works affirmed his power.

The Holy Spirit clarifies this truth to which the apostles and then you test them and testify powerfully.

Let me emphasize that God is in reality Jesus, man, gods have been numerous throughout history.

But this is the first and only to god man, Jesus Christ.

If we ask a very serious question, why did Christ Jesus come if he were in your profit, the world did not need more prophets, priests, books, or miracle workers, the God of heaven gives the answer you will call his name Jesus, because he would save His people from their sins, Jesus Christ Himself, came to save you and me from eternal death, in hell to eternal life in heaven.

He loves you as I love you.

And far more.

We like to say to you what he declared, I have come that you may have life and have it more abundantly.

Listen to his declaration, for the Son of Man has come to seek and to say that which was lost, since God's word states All have sinned, and come short of the glory of God, all of us become the object of God's concern.

Jesus come seeking you and me.

And one thing to give you and me eternal life, the full payment for sin is death.

Thus he takes that upon himself, but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord, a secret is revealed.

When we hear john the baptist evaluation of Jesus, Behold, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world.

I so, and they record that this is the Son of God, how you ask, by substitution, he took our place, the first Adam Porter, battle, And last, but now the second Adam fought that battle and won, that tragedy of the cross becomes the triumph of the crucified.

Why did the ancient Jews have blood sacrifices?

Why even the core end suggests that encourages that because without sharing your blood, there is no remission of sin.

Isn't it fantastic?

God demands good works as a result of salvation, not to obtain salvation.

You don't have to go to a holy city, Jerusalem, Varanasi, Mecca, although they are too small, to contain the majesty of God.

ceremonial cleansing can wash the stain, but never a heart full of sin.

God is not impressed with our fastings or prayers.

These promotes self righteousness.

God loves you and wants to save you and me by His grace through faith in Jesus Christ our Lord, For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son that anyone believing in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

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Thank you very much.

We are grateful to Mr.

Suresh for his 49 minutes and 15 seconds.

Some impeccable timing, you want to take a deep breath for a moment or two.

It's a privilege and one that I did not expect to have and one that I'm delighted to have to welcome to the Royal Albert Hall tonight.

And to listen for the next 15 minutes to the initial presentation from Mr.

Hoffman do that.

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Mr.

Chairman, respected speaker, my dear brothers and sisters, the subject is Jesus God can very easily be solved by asking a counter question.

Did Jesus claim to be God?

Did he say I am God?

Did he worship Me?

And believe me, Mr.

Chairman, ladies and gentlemen, there is not a single an equivocal statement in any of the 66 books of the Bible, or the 7373 of the Roman Catholics, where Jesus is and God, or where he says, wish, there isn't, I would have been very happy to hear Jesus then from the lips of Jesus, this simple, straightforward, explicit statement.

I am God, I worship because I as a Muslim, and we Muslims as a whole.

We believe that Jesus Christ was one of the mightiest messengers of God.

We believe in his miraculous birth, we believe that he was the Messiah.

And we believe that he gave life to the dead by God's permission, and he was born blind in the lepers by God's permission.

This is really the only point of real difference between the Muslim and the Christian is the divinity of Christ.

And for that, I say that our brother has not used a single statement from the lips of Jesus, saying, I am God overshadowing why he walked this earth, He never made such a statement.

Of course, they have a chance of coming back, and perhaps he might be able to point out to me in case he had overlooked it, the nearest he came to that was a quotation from the book of Revelation, where it is supposed to be the words of Jesus, when He says, I am Alpha and Omega, meaning I'm the first and the last.

Not this book of revelation was a dream was a dream in which John's in the dream he saw a vision in which he saw an image with eyes inside and eyes outside and horns with eyes on it.

All this is a man, if he eats too much, he gets that type of experiences.

But while Jesus walked this earth, we will analyze what he actually said and what he did.

Now the idea of the Holy Trinity in which the Christian the bulk of Christians, including the Anglican Church, Roman Catholics, Catholics, Presbyterians, Lutherans, Methodists, almost as a whole.

They believe in this thing called the Holy Trinity.

In the Christian Catechism of the churches, they say, I'm quoting that the Father is God.

The son is God, and the Holy Ghost is God.

But they are not three Gods but one God.

This is the father is almighty, the son is almighty and the Holy Ghost is almighty, but they are not three Almighty is well known almighty.

If it continues, I'm quoting the Catechism says the father is a person, the son is a person and the Holy Ghost is a person, but they are not 3% but 1%.

I'm asking What language is that?

Is that English?

It sounds English, but this is not English.

person, Person person, but not 3%.

But one person.

So what language is that?

What is that person in your language?

English people tell me you Americanized English man.

Tell me what is a person in your language?

If you and your two other brothers are identical triplets, we can make the difference between the three of you you're all identical.

If one of you commit murder, I'm asking can we hang the other?

You say no.

So why not?

Your look alike.

So he tells me No, he's a different One person, what makes him a different person it is his personality.

He's the personality is different is different.

And when you say the Christian says in the name of the Father, and the Son, and the Holy Ghost, I say you have three distinct mental pictures in your mind.

As a father, you don't think of the sun.

When you say the sun, you know, think of the Holy Ghost, are you?

Yeah, and these three pictures, you can never superimpose on page one, they'll ever be three in your mind, unless the mind is diseased.

You said these three ICS one, the three will ever remain free.

Now, as far as the Muslim is concerned, believing that any human being any human beings God are waiting with God.

It is an act of God.

Whether it's a Hindu idea of a God incarnate or whether it is a Christian idea of God incarnate God becoming a man, the Holy Quran says, luck for Allah Zenith Hello in Allahumma Subramanian said, Whosoever says that Jesus Christ, the son of Mary's god, they're making coffee is an act of blessing is treason against God.

Rockpile and mercy but Christ said you have an Israeli Israel, Allah worship Allah rapira Boone, who is my Lord and your Lord, in whom he Kabila, whoever will associate anyone with ALLAH haka, daramola the agenda and Levin McDonald harappa, Heaven will be forbidden for them.

Not in the fire of hell will be that will in place, mamani Solomon in Milan, and for the longest that we know went to hell.

And Jesus Christ.

He is speaking about the Father in heaven.

He's your father and my father.

Again and again.

In the Gospel of St.

Matthews, you can start taking stuff from chapter one, verse one, you will come across this phrase, your father, die, Father, your father, die Father 13 times before the first time he says My father is an amazing situation.

The 13 times the man is telling you that God Almighty He is the father, everybody, metaphorically, He is the Creator sustainer evolver cherisher of everybody.

He is the father of everybody, but physically, he does not be gay.

because music is an animal act.

It belongs to the lower animal functions of sex.

And we will not attribute such a quality to God, that God be God a son.

Though the Christians keep on repeating the words, Son of God, Son of God, Son of God says What about Adam?

How many sons as they got the bulk of Christian then we'll tell you one.

I said, you know, reading your Bible, you don't read your Bible properly.

You know, God has got sons by the tongue in the Bible, by the tongue turns the old Museum of wainting tongues.

Genesis chapter six, verse three, it says in the sons of God for the daughters of men, that they were gay, and they took them to wipe all that they chose.

And when the sons of God came in into the daughters of men in Basildon to them, they became great men of all old men of renown.

In the book of Exodus, God says, His right is my son, even my firstborn in the book of Jeremiah says, He flame is my son, even my first one.

In the New Testament, we are told as many as are led by the Spirit of God are the sons of God.

every Tom, Dick and Harry, if you follow the will and plan of God, you are a godly person in the language of the Jews.

In the idiom of the Jews, he says, Son of God, meaning a righteous person.

Jesus is not like that is the button, not me?

Some asking, please explain to me, I'm asking the English speaking people.

Please explain to me, what are you trying to emphasize?

When you tell me he's gotten not made?

What are you really trying to tell me?

And believe me, no Christian in 40 years has been able to open his mouth to tell me what it means.

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